Dear Reverend Jan, I hope you are well.
My partner and I recently engaged, we are both medical students and wish to marry prior to qualifying (as changing your name as a doctor is practically impossible and something we feel we would want irrespective of practicalities), additionally we also wish to marry sooner rather than later as I am 30 (both older students) and having had some health problems in the past, we would like children and this is something we have been advised not to delay. We understand getting married isnt to fulfill practical things like name change or having children but please be assured outside of the remit of here, we do fully understand what Marriage is and how we feel. I was christened in the church where my parents married, infact most of my family married in the same church and we felt this si something we wanted, we both have christian faith although not regular church attenders. On paper this all sounds great, however we both were previously married, we were both in very difficult circumstances where although slightly different situations the marriages had to end in divorce.
We met with one of the vicars to the church (there is a rector and a vicar which cover 3 churchs in the parish). He was lovely and accommodating but he (like everyone else) is terrified of the Rector (awful I know). He refused my Brother & sister in law to be able to christen their daughter (they married there and lived in the parish all their lives) they now attend classes in order to be able to christen their daughter - so you see. The vicar was very sweet however he wasnt able to understand. He said he wanted to marry us, he liked us (basically said he liked us more than he thought he would before he met us). He said he wanted t be the one that did it however it was the Rectors turn to work December and he wouldnt even give us an interview let alone consider marrying us. He said he felt we needed more time. We thanked him and said we see his position and to even speak to us was and is a privallage; however he said well come along to church (we study 3.5 hours away!) and he would think about it for the summer. We said well in reality I am on medical elective overseas, my exams are at easter, my partners exams are in the summer; if we leave it next year, I have my finals, and my partner will be overseas on his elective - really it would be best this December. He said well I will say yes but not yet, so perhaps I might sy yes around Easter. We pointed out there is a long waiting list for summer dates and you wouldnt get a reception (I know marriage isnt about that but in reality you kind of have to do something when you get anrried e.g. have a free slot in church). He didnt listen. We told him about needing to start a family in with medicine, he suggested children wernt everything and perhaps we shoudl think about not having any. I broke down in tears, my partner almost did. We gave him every detail to every question he asked us on philosophy, religeon, our previosu relationships which in both cases were abussive. I cannot imagine not marrying under the roof of a church with god, but it has to be december and its unfortinatly destroyed us. We cant find anywhere we want to marry - but we want to marry each other - it shoudlnt matter if we are going to be a loving and loyal happy couple together, but it does in our hearts. I dont know what to do. I live in a parsh in another county but with less afiliation with the church so I darnt ask the vicar here. This was all because we told them the truth and said we'd married bafore, although we would never ever lie, we joked if only we'd told them we were single not divorced they would have said yes. The vicar cited an example about Jesus at the well, but the vicar did the oposite. Please offer any thoughts or suggestions as to what we could do to still have a religeous ceremony even if it cant be in my church.
Thank you
Little milky (anon for confidentiality of the church/vicar)
Comments
Dear Little Milky
It's always difficult to judge what is happening when you only hear one side of a story.
You don't say how long you have been together.It seems as if the clergy are trying to protect you from jumping in too quickly as you've both made a mistake before - especially as you seem to be quoting very practical (rather than emotional)reasons why you must marry in such a hurry. However, you are not children and, in the end,the decision to marry can only be yours.
Why not approach the Vicar in your own parish. You are eligible to marry there - though he or she may have a similar attitude to marrying divorcees. You must be honest about previous marriages as the Vicar needs to see Decree Absolutes to ensure that the marriage is legal. Hopefully you'll get a more sympathetic response - especially if you assure the minister of your love and loyalty towards each other.
Failing that you can marry in a Registry Office and ask one of the clergy for a service of blessing.
I do hope you can resolve all this and be happy together - as well as fulfilling all your practicalities.
Kind regards
Jan
Jan Harney (Rev'd)
http://www.asineden.co.uk